Peter Tessier: What do we know- training camp edition A few things to consider about the Jets now that we are half way through camp.

Good article Pete...

Totally agree with your assessment of Ville Heinola...he looks poised for an 18yo and reminds me of JM when he first came to camp. Although this may be due to the fact he's playing against mainly prospects at this time...we'll see how he reacts when playing men in a couple of weeks.
As much as TSN wants us to believe Stanley is ready...and as much as I want him to be ready...he looks awful...far too many giveaways combined with zero skating ability is making me wonder whether he'll ever make it to the show.
Lots to consider for sure...but we need the 3 amigos back...soon!

The cap floor issue is an interesting point, but with the Jets less then $1.8 M from the cap floor it should be easy to deal with. You could probably fill that by picking up a player or two from waivers as teams send guys down. Or obviously a pretty small trade would get it done.

Few things;
-Murat said on twitter even without buff, Connor and Laine we would be above the cap floor, I haven’t dug in to it but trust he has

-heinola and Gustafson should flirt with their 9 game window but both be sent back to Europe, it’s better for their Devebpment and if they stay, they would have to protected in expansion draft.

-I said on twitter, I believe a better 4th line Center option will be made available in waivers in the next two weeks. Copp is not an option cause he needs and deserves more ice time than 4th line and letestu, spacek and Seuss are AHL’ers.

- stanly needs more time in the slow cooker, like a lot more time

-Vesalainen and Appleton have done nothing to impress

Few things;
-Murat said on twitter even without buff, Connor and Laine we would be above the cap floor, I haven’t dug in to it but trust he has

-heinola and Gustafson should flirt with their 9 game window but both be sent back to Europe, it’s better for their Devebpment and if they stay, they would have to protected in expansion draft.

-I said on twitter, I believe a better 4th line Center option will be made available in waivers in the next two weeks. Copp is not an option cause he needs and deserves more ice time than 4th line and letestu, spacek and Seuss are AHL’ers.

- stanly needs more time in the slow cooker, like a lot more time

-Vesalainen and Appleton have done nothing to impress
- Ross77

- Not sure about cap floor. Like you, I believe we are ok in that regard.

- Don't think Heinola or Gustaffson make the squad this season. Better off for their development to be sent down. Heinola is something like Niku was last year - needs to add more muscle to his frame, but he's going to be a good one

- Think you'll find that neither Heinola or Guystaffson, like Vesalainen, don't have to be protected in Expansion draft. Anyone on first year of ELC is exempt I believe

- Surprised with Green's play. Green, Nogier and Stanley all have a chance at some point

- I think that Chibisov and Luoto make this team, maybe Luoto not at the start, but he seems to want it more than Appleton right now. Woulkdn't be surprised to see Bourque start with squad though

- As it stands right now, think Bitetto is the seventh d-man (unless they decide that Heinola is ready)

Peter, unlike most people I am not worried about the D. They will be fine.

The first time the Jets made the playoffs against Anaheim, they did it with a patchwork defensive corps. This Byfuglien talk has got to stop as well. Its depressing to note that after 8 seasons, the Jets have been unable to "draft and develop" his replacement. I also think that Byfuglien likes Winnipeg and as shocking as this may sound for lots of people, he may want to settle here.

Its funny how Brandon Tanev keeps getting dissed. All the man did was play his heart out and he only had 2 less 5v5 goals than the "generational goal scorer" last year. Pittsburgh is playing him with Malkin. How funny (or sad) would it be, if he actually beat Laine in goals this season?

Anyhow, I love Heinola's game. I also think that Stanley may be just working out some nerves. You have to remember he is young and defensemen do take longer to develop. I believe in Logan Stanley!

Just some random Ultimate thoughts for Monday morning.......

Copp has shown up well in preseason ('pretend season') - look forward to his play this year and hope PoMo keeps him tethered to Lowry

Luoto is my surprise plugger thus far ... I bet he finds a spot on opening day roster

Heinola also has played well but, as mentioned, I think he needs one more season, at least, in Europe ... development, protection from expansion draft, and I believe it knocks his ELC out one more year (is that correct ?)

Vesalainen and Stanley - where are you ? ... I am completely unimpressed with these two

Chibisov ? ... maybe ... maybe not

Can you believe we f_ckin (re)signed Slater ?!?

Copp has shown up well in preseason ('pretend season') - look forward to his play this year and hope PoMo keeps him tethered to Lowry

Luoto is my surprise plugger thus far ... I bet he finds a spot on opening day roster

Heinola also has played well but, as mentioned, I think he needs one more season, at least, in Europe ... development, protection from expansion draft, and I believe it knocks his ELC out one more year (is that correct ?)

Vesalainen and Stanley - where are you ? ... I am completely unimpressed with these two

Chibisov ? ... maybe ... maybe not

Can you believe we f_ckin (re)signed Slater ?!?
- CorydonKeith

I think it should be the opposite way. I used to be really down on Copp, but last year he really showed me what type of player he could be and is. He did excellent centering Appelton and Lemieux. He has better possession and offensive numbers compared to Lowry and seems to improve every year.

Lowry is a player I would be shopping while his value is perceived as being high.

Heinola, Spacek, Luoto, Chibisov, Nogier and Gustafsson should start the season, in different games, with the Jets and unless they continue their impressive play they should be sent down to get more work and be called up when they are ready. I agree Stanley has to play smarter and stop taking rookie chances as he has shown he still needs more time and improve on his skills and confidence. I don't want the Jets to start the season with Letestu, Bourque, Bitetto, and Schilling as they are all fringe NHLers and make the Jets take a step back in skill. Niku and Poolman have played themselves on the team regardless of Buffs situation. Ves and Appleton have to finish the preseason strong in order to make the team. This team has to play their draft and develop kids, be patient and let them play NHL games without fear of being benched or sent down if they make one mistake. The Jets have the talent to be very good but Maurice, the press and the fans need to be patient and let the kids play, learn from the talented vets. I hope Maurice doesn't make stupid choices. play outdated systems and poor use of the players skills that hamper this team develop.

Now that we have Point signing a three-year bridge deal with Tampa @ $6.75 MM we can pretty much assume that this would be the extreme upper limit on any Connor or Laine bridge. Point is the better player at this point in time although I think Connor and Laine represent more upside.

So I'm thinking its around $6 MM per year to bridge either Jet for up to 3 yrs. Maybe $7 MM per year AAV for Connor on a long term deal starting once his RFA status ends, Laine might be $8.5 to 9 MM although I don't think he necessarily deserves it as he is nowhere near a well-rounded player.....yet.

Now that we have Point signing a three-year bridge deal with Tampa @ $6.75 MM we can pretty much assume that this would be the extreme upper limit on any Connor or Laine bridge. Point is the better player at this point in time although I think Connor and Laine represent more upside.

So I'm thinking its around $6 MM per year to bridge either Jet for up to 3 yrs. Maybe $7 MM per year AAV for Connor on a long term deal once his RFA status ends, Laine might be $8.5 to 9 MM although I don't think he necessarily deserves it as he is nowhere near a well-rounded player.....yet.
- jetsnation

Jets now have 28.5% of the RFA's remaining.

Jets now have 28.5% of the RFA's remaining.
- TheUltimateJet

that is 100% irrelevant.

The only way to make it go faster is to pay more money and Jets can't go that route.

Now that we have Point signing a three-year bridge deal with Tampa @ $6.75 MM we can pretty much assume that this would be the extreme upper limit on any Connor or Laine bridge. Point is the better player at this point in time although I think Connor and Laine represent more upside.

So I'm thinking its around $6 MM per year to bridge either Jet for up to 3 yrs. Maybe $7 MM per year AAV for Connor on a long term deal starting once his RFA status ends, Laine might be $8.5 to 9 MM although I don't think he necessarily deserves it as he is nowhere near a well-rounded player.....yet.
- jetsnation

I can't believe that Point signing!!! I mean even if Marner had that same deal, after his 3 seasons he still would likely command 11M, just with 3 cheap years leading up to that. Great deal for Tampa and with RFA rights after the 3 seasons!!!! The kid got 41 goals and 51 assists last season.

So.... Connor either a 3 year bridge around 5.5M AAV, or a 6+ year deal at 6.75M AAV. And Laine a 2 year bridge at 6M AAV, no long term contract whatsoever. Leaves the jets with plenty of Cap space, especially if they enter the season with a 13M D-roster. Otherwise Laine can go get 40 goals and 12 apples in Switzerland.

I can't believe that Point signing!!! I mean even if Marner had that same deal, after his 3 seasons he still would likely command 11M, just with 3 cheap years leading up to that. Great deal for Tampa and with RFA rights after the 3 seasons!!!! The kid got 41 goals and 51 assists last season.

So.... Connor either a 3 year bridge around 5.5M AAV, or a 6+ year deal at 6.75M AAV. And Laine a 2 year bridge at 6M AAV, no long term contract whatsoever. Leaves the jets with plenty of Cap space, especially if they enter the season with a 13M D-roster. Otherwise Laine can go get 40 goals and 12 apples in Switzerland.
- bikeguy99

Yes, the Point signing definitely works in Chevy's favor. BTW.... Point did say he was willing to sign a cap-friendly deal to stay in Tampa.

Yes, the Point signing definitely works in Chevy's favor. BTW.... Point did say he was willing to sign a cap-friendly deal to stay in Tampa.
- jetsnation

One thing though to think of, Point's 6.75 in Florida is the same as 8.56 in Canada. Huge advantage for Florida in signing players.

that is 100% irrelevant.

The only way to make it go faster is to pay more money and Jets can't go that route.
- 2.0

Perhaps, but after another RFA signing, the Jets will have 33.3% of all remaining RFA's. Might not mean nothing, but it's just a fun fact!

One thing though to think of, Point's 6.75 in Florida is the same as 8.56 in Canada. Huge advantage for Florida in signing players.
- grahamzky

I am curious how this number was calculated. I am aware that for the 41 games plus (including Florida) he will be taxed in the State of Florida. But the remaining games he gets taxed in whatever jurisdiction he's in. I still think the Jets should have offer sheeted him at 10.5 per.

I am curious how this number was calculated. I am aware that for the 41 games plus (including Florida) he will be taxed in the State of Florida. But the remaining games he gets taxed in whatever jurisdiction he's in. I still think the Jets should have offer sheeted him at 10.5 per.
- TheUltimateJet

#1 - I would bet my last $ that Point did not want leave Tampa. He has to sign the offer

#2 -What in the world would the Jets do if they signed Point at that amount - and then Buff came back? Deal Connor or Laine, or both, for draft choices? Salary cap hell!

One thing though to think of, Point's 6.75 in Florida is the same as 8.56 in Canada. Huge advantage for Florida in signing players.
- grahamzky

Hockey players can't figure out escrow, I doubt they know anything about calculating taxes.

#1 - I would bet my last $ that Point did not want leave Tampa. He has to sign the offer

#2 -What in the world would the Jets do if they signed Point at that amount - and then Buff came back? Deal Connor or Laine, or both, for draft choices? Salary cap hell!
- grahamzky

We need to let go of the idea that Byfuglien is coming back. It's a shame this organization after 8 years has not been able to "draft and develop" his replacement.

We need to let go of the idea that Byfuglien is coming back. It's a shame this organization after 8 years has not been able to "draft and develop" his replacement.
- TheUltimateJet

What are your expectations?

We have Josh, and Heinola looks like a player.

Can't draft a D 1st every year.

What are your expectations?

We have Josh, and Heinola looks like a player.

Can't draft a D 1st every year.
- grahamzky

Not saying you have to draft a defenseman 1st every year. Byfuglien was drafted in what, the 8th round? I expect that a franchise that talks about “draft and developing” should never be afraid of losing players as they always have the next man up.

This offseason has showed how painfully lacking this franchise in terms of developing players. Maybe it’s miscommunication between Maurice and Vincent? Maybe we need better scouts, especially considering that the Jets only have ever drafted 4 players outside of the first round that have played over 100 games.

Just my thoughts....

What are your expectations?

We have Josh, and Heinola looks like a player.

Can't draft a D 1st every year.
- grahamzky

Niku is ready....a late pick. Sandberg will be another one. Stanley is a work in progress.

Success at picking some real winners at forward such as Connor, Ehlers, Roslovic, etc

Jets biggest loss might not have been losing Myers, Tanev, etc but rather losing Marcel Comeau , our head of scouting, to retirement.

Not saying you have to draft a defenseman 1st every year. Byfuglien was drafted in what, the 8th round? I expect that a franchise that talks about “draft and developing” should never be afraid of losing players as they always have the next man up.

This offseason has showed how painfully lacking this franchise in terms of developing players. Maybe it’s miscommunication between Maurice and Vincent? Maybe we need better scouts, especially considering that the Jets only have ever drafted 4 players outside of the first round that have played over 100 games.

Just my thoughts....
- TheUltimateJet

Not sure what you mean by this off-season showed how painfully lacking this team is in terms of developing players. Maybe a C, but to draft a top line C you normally have to have a very high draft choice to get one. We've had one very high choice and we took Patrik, concensus choice at that time.

Yes you can land a top centre later than near the top of first round, but normally you have to get lucky. Lot of teams in our boat over the years.

As far as the D goes, aren't you the one saying that D is not that important, and you're happy with our D? We have lots of decent wingers, so what would you suggest?

I think if we don't upgrade our D, we may get a top C next draft.

Good Blog Tessier. Haven’t been able to see much, that was a good update.



UJ- from the last thread- Buff will be back, hoping for this week...